HAC or Junghans ????

Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:33 pm     Post subject: HAC or Junghans ????

Hi!
I am new to your forum and hope someone can clue me in.
I have a wooden clock that was apparently used as a preentation. There is a brass label added on to the front that is in german. My guess is that it says "the 25th Jubilee Commander volunteer firemen 1908 - 1933"
The striking movement has crossed arrows maker mark, W77, 183/40 over 92 (sort of like a algebra formula), bottom of case has N551 40.

I have found the cross arrows was used by HAC (hamburg american clock co.) I have also found places where HAC merged with Junghans in either 1930 or 1933. I am guessing this clock was sold in 1933. Since there is no name on the face of the clock, is it considered a HAC or a Junghans????
Any help would be appreciated.

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:33 pm     Post subject:

I hope that this information may help... http://www.clockswatches.com/foreign/showpage.php?em=1065

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:35 pm     Post subject:

The next thread will contain a post which details information about HAC trademarks and names (see post number eight).
http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=15512

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:35 pm     Post subject:

Not certain if any of this helps, but I did find it extremely interesting. From what I have read, I would consider your clock a HAC clock (strictly opinion). I wonder if the "40" is an indication of year of manufacture (as suggested in thread #6 from the second link)?

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:25 pm     Post subject:

Chris,
Thanks so much for your help.
I had already viewed the first link you provided, but the other one with post #8 was very enlightening. I guess I am not the only one who is confused. If the 40 is the date then I think the movement was not the original one. That is because of the presentation label on the front of the case, which has 1908 - 1933.
I find it very interesting dealing with older items because finding the right answers can be very challenging.

Thanks again for your help and your opinion.

Thomas B

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:58 pm     Post subject:

the 183 is probably how many beats it does per minute.

not sure about the 40

92 is the length of the pendulum in cms

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:42 am     Post subject:

clokfxr,
Thanks a lot for your response. This clock is a mantle clock and so has no pendulum, Is there a way to tell if the movement is designed to have a pendulum, but does not have one. In other words the movement that is in the clock is the wrong one. ???????/
Thomas B

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 7:56 pm     Post subject:

you should have a hook or square hole on which to put the pend if it takes one.