Please help! frustrated in trying to find the best movement

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:08 am     Post subject: Please help! frustrated in trying to find the best movement

So I posted awhile ago thinking that the Hermle Westminster Quartz movement replacement part #18933 on timesavers.com was going to be the closest match to my current movement. But after further measurements of my current movement and I hope my measurement are accurate it doesn't appear that it will work and I can't find anything similiar that plays Westminster chimes and has the detachable speaker. My dimensions of my current movement as are follows:

7/16 handshaft
3/8 max dial thickness

movement box size 3 1/4 X 3 15/16 X 1 1/8

And if it makes a diffence it's for a Howard Miller Worthington 2

Any suggestions???
Thanks!

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:38 pm     Post subject:

what is it about the movement that will not fit the case?

This is a small one from PM Clocks Model M136, on page 11

http://pmclocks.com/Acrobat/Movements.pdf

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:56 pm     Post subject:

Understand that quartz movements are pretty versitile, and are offered in a variety of shaft lengths (to accommodate various dial thicknesses). The overall movement dimensions really should not apply, as you really need to look at your overall inside clock case dimensions (to see if other quartz movements could be an option).
Hermle Unit: http://www.klockit.com/products/dept-158__sku-bbbss.html

Seiko Alternative: http://www.klockit.com/products/dept-158__sku-CCCCD.html

No matter what, I am certain that we can find another quartz movement that would work well as a replacement for the current one.

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:23 pm     Post subject: YEAH!!!!!!!!! I FINALLY GOT MY CLOCK CHIMING (-:

Thanks again for everyone's help and Chris I did end up going with the Seiko one you listed but I went through Ronellclockcompany.com out of Oregon and paid only $24.50! I called a very nice local clock repairman on New Year's Day after driving by his store front but he was closed. I explained my situation and he took the time over the phone to walk me through getting the exact measurement. Which he did and we determined my hand shaft is 5/8" however after getting the movement and install it we didn't account for my cap screw )-: but the other size 1 1/8 won't work I don't think because it will be too long. So I guess I'm stuck with this one and just can't put the cap on. Oh well beats not having it work. Anyhow it was pretty easy to install after a few trial and errors adjusting the movement inside to the best position and resetting the strike. I love the night silencer and it sounds just like I remember as a kid visiting grandma (-: Oh, FYI the clock repairman I talked to discouraged me from getting the Hermle one you noted below and that I was originally looking at. Because he said he has had several customer complaints of when replacing the battery at day light savings time the clock just stops?? Not sure if that's true or not or others are having problems just throught I avoid it if so and pass along to others here on this Board. Thanks again!

Tiffany

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:27 pm     Post subject:

you could make a spacer to fit between the clock mvmt, and the dial board so you could put the cap screw on.

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:09 pm     Post subject:

Amrad is correct - a spacer can do the job to allow you to mount the cap nut. Excess shaft length is never really a problem providing the inside case has enough depth to move the movement back. Spacer blocks can be 1/8" thick masonite wood, 1/4" plywood veneer, or even some thick rubber gaskets. All you require (for a spacer) is a center thru hole (so that the clock center shaft can insert thru).

Note that spacers would mount over the movement shaft before that shaft was inserted through the dial face/dial board of the clock assembly. In this manner, the spacers would always be hidden behind the clock face.

I have not encountered any sort of problems with the Hermle unit and batteries being changed (even during DST)... But we can certainly keep an ear out for any customers which might be having problems

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:03 pm     Post subject: Thanks Amrad and Chris!

I will seriously consider this as I only have 10 days to return the current movement for an exchange. So do I understand correctly that the current rubber washer that goes on the shaft before attaching it to the face with the brass washer and nut is not necessary or can still stay on in addition to additional washers needed to space the movement back to allow for the cap screw to be attached? I'm kinda nervous to attempt it after all the hassle i had to go through just to get the thing working. I guess it's not a big deal and I could live without it on.........

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:21 pm     Post subject:

You can use the additional spacer with the rubber gasket hardware piece (included with the movement), or you can omit that thinner rubber gasket. It really will not matter either way.

I am wondering how you are securing your minute hand. The cap nut (or small open nut) is required to keep the minute hand secured on the center shaft. The cap nut would be used if you do not have a second sweep hand. The open nut would be used (instead of the cap nut) if you wanted to use a sweep second hand. The center of the small open nut is open so that the second hand mount shaft can be inserted through it to mount on the center pin shaft. If you are not using the cap nut, you must (at least) be using the open nut to secure your minute hand (which should work just fine as well). The only drawback to using the open nut is that you will see the center pin second hand shaft when looking straight at the movement. Other than that, it should work in the same way as the cap nut (to hold the minutue hand on the shaft).

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:24 pm     Post subject: sorry chris meant to reply here and accidently posted new

you are correct i was using the open nut as the instructions for my new movement told me to attach the open screw supplied with the movement to secure the minute hand. it talked about adding a second hand but not about only using the cap screw if not using a second hand. Problem solved I believe! I will try and remove the open nut and replace with the cap screw tonight and hope that solves the problem. Then I won't have to exchange the movement (-: